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We need a more clear version. Section 12 refers to the doctor being approved by the local NHS to acrry out sections. If M Kirk is sectioned by Cardiff NHS to Cardiff NHS that is entirely different to manipultions of the past. Are they looking at Section 2, 3, 35 or 36 or other.  A section to Cardiff NHS for assessment my help Mr Kirk have better conditions for his last month in custody.

Will they stop the trial for the month while the section is served ?

Oh what an insight into the scheming mind of dr williams that letter provides;

If we were to read between the lines then it would look more like this.

Maurice Kirk presents with symptoms entirely consistent with a man who can see through the smoke and mirrors and realizes what is going on around him. this involves the realization that he is at the centre of a web of deceit and corruption stretching back decades and which involves the police, judiciary the medical establishment and the masons. Any attempt to persuade him that it is all in his head is met with the derision it so richly deserves.

Maurice Kirk has no evidence at all of brain damage but it suits my masters purpose to say he has and so he has, because i say so. Even though I know he has no brain damage at all I am going to recommend that more examination is required so that we can stop him defending himself. His accusations of persecution meanwhile, will require no examination at all as we all know they are true.

I understand that the current case before the court involves a very fundamental and basic area of law. My current position is that while Maurice Kirk is fit to plead then we are all in serious danger of having our misdeeds uncovered, his skills in sequencing and organising information and his ability to filter out irrelevant bulls**t and his superlative attention and concentration coupled with his overwhelming perception of himself as being a victim of persecution means that if he were to conduct his own defence we would all end up in jail for perverting the course of justice.

Accordingly I request that he be remanded back into my gulag at caswell clinic for another month so that I can pump some mind bending chemicals into him against his will and try and destroy his healthy brain so that we can get him locked up in broadmoor and then we can get some sleep at night.

Signed,

your truly charlatan quack,

Dr Tengle Coverourback.

Strange that I was told that I should be Sectioned for - guess what - Whistleblowing! I reported that crime was being committed only to find that reporting crime was a crime in itself.

Strange how the Manager was a former South Wales Police Officer based at Bridgend.

It seems to be the trend to cover up crime and block the truth from coming out.

Don't you think ??

The Parchment written by Dr Tegwyn Williams and dated 30 September 2009 clearly states "Opinion" atop of it.

To repeat this blogger for the umpteenth time:

"Opinions are not facts. What happened and how you feel about it [Dr Williams] are two different things. And people [Delusional Quack Charlatans promoting a false flag 'created indu$try' / snake oil-salesmen / elixers of the old Wild West!!!] should know which is which"

A lunatic is being allowed to run the caswell asylum. Why? because the Tavistock Institute of black ops - are hoisted by their own petard.

Let's be having Mr Oliver [Chief Prostitute for his trade body] 'give testimony on Oath' - under the penalty of prejury ....

The Opinion of Dr Deluded - was "Blown out of the water" in the Machine Gun Trial - along with all the other cobbled together evidence produced by the so called body of professionals! who - simply lost.

They don't like it up 'em - but up 'em it is.      

In the US whistleblowers are at least afforded protection [Ref: Enron / Arthur Anderson - not too big to fail!!!] whereas in the UK whistleblowers  invariably end up 'dead in the woods' or 'smeared to kingdom come' by a compliant, subservient, suborned, invertebrate bunch of 'hack' journalists.

Freedom of the Press! - you're having a laugh M'lud.

"In the Public Interest" - now rules the UK.    

What is below is from Wikipedia, and so may be highly unreliable, but may help for people to tune into terms and to work out what Mr Kirk is saying.

In contrast to last time in 2009 at the dreadful infamous Caswell Clinic, it could be that this time good doctors are trying to rescue Mr Kirk from a flawed system.

Please can people try and work out what Mr Kirk report to his supporters: -

Pre-trial orders

Section 35 and Section 36 are similar in their powers to Section 2 assessment orders and Section 3 treatment orders respectively, but are used for persons awaiting trial for a serious crime and provide courts with an alternative to remanding a mentally disordered person in prison. The order for Section 35 can be made by a Crown Court or Magistrates Court whilst Section 36 can be enacted only by a Crown Court. Courts can enact either of these sections on the medical recommendation of one Section 12 approved doctor. Both these sections are rarely used in practice.

Only a Crown Court can impose Section 41, but a judge can do so without a doctor's recommendation. Although persons on Section 41 can appeal against their detention to the Mental Health Review Tribunal, their cases are heard by a Special Tribunal, chaired by a High Court Judge. Since the 2007 amendments have been implemented, Section 41 is universally imposed without limit of time

Transfer orders

It is noteworthy that the Act only provides for enforced treatment of mental disorder in a hospital. As a prison is not defined as a "hospital" by the Act, no prisoner can be treated against his or her wishes under the Act in prison, even in a prison healthcare wing. Instead, Sections 47 and 48 provide for prisoners to be transferred to a hospital for treatment of a mental disorder. Section 47 applies to sentenced prisoners, whilst Section 48 applies to those on remand and those convicted but awaiting sentence; it provides for temporary treatment out of prison. Section 48 can be used only for prisoners in need of urgent treatment for mental illness or severe mental impairment

With Respect Fred,

If doctors are signing a sectioning order for Maurice whilst he is in prison it seems highly unlikely that it is for his own good!

He has been refused bail from the start despite the CPS not opposing it at the first hearing, (which was later denied by the prosecutor Gareth Evans) but we all in court that day are witness to it being said.

Much more likely it is that they want him out of the way whilst they furiously backpeddle to try and cover up (yet again) their misdeeds.

"They don't like it up em", but unfortunately for them "it" is firmly lodged!

It depends which section and why.

Section 41 (indefinite) would be in bad faith (malicious and dishonest). The average length of a section 41 is six years.  Other lesser Section for assessment by good doctors can help Mr kirk.

People on these chain of websites do not organise cases well. Please tell Mr Kirk I said:-

1) If Mr Kirk has more time on section by good doctors then he will probably be able to find a way cross examine his witnesses at appeal, or at Magistrates if a section causes postponement.

2) if Mr kirk has more time by a Section he has time to organise papers and witnesses. Some witnesses can explain the case better than Mr Kirk.

3) if Mr Kirk has more time maybe the GMC could be ordered by the High Court, give evidence on what they think of Dr Tegwyn Williams conduct, as it is Wednesbury(irrationality) for the GMC to ignore a doctor who makes up brain damage.

For example - it can be argued even if Mr Kirk somehow now developed brain damaged Dr Tegwyn Williams has displyed lack fo due diligence and no dispute resolution ability (as is exepcted by GMC) so to distress Mr kirk and in short cause the problem before the courts. A conviction would not be just and it follows the GMC should address Dr T Williams conduct.

Dr Tegwyn Williams and his police made a huge msitakes by bring prosecutions, as it gives chance to respond - but Mr Kirk wanting to zoom ahead while in prison is daft. He needs to delay, and a section for assessment to Cardiff NHS by a good doctor can help. A doctor can give evidence to Court in one months time onwards, as to why Mr Kirk should be released.

We need to know which doctors are involved in the Section. That is very important.

We need to know which section is proposed.